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On 17 August 2017 at 18:20, Thomas Pfeiffer <thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org> wrote=
:

>
> On 17. Aug 2017, at 17:38, Mirko Boehm - KDE <mirko@kde.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On 17. Aug 2017, at 01:46, Thomas Pfeiffer <thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Valorie,
> Even if opt-out for some data is legally and even morally fine, it does n=
ot
>
> align with the values we communicate to our users:
> Unlike Mozilla's Mission, our Vision mentions privacy explicitly, and we'=
re
>
> striving to make privacy our USP.
>
>
> We seem to assume a contradiction between telemetry and privacy. I believ=
e
> this is a knee-jerk reaction. We can implement telemetry in a way that
> privacy is not violated. In fact, I would say that it follows from our
> vision that we should do this.
>
>
> The problem is: I expect users to have the same knee-jerk reaction. I
> don=E2=80=99t see us being able to explain to users that actually their p=
rivacy is
> perfectly safe before they freak out.
> Privacy-minded Free Software users have freaked out in the past over
> things which objectively speaking were not a huge deal.
> It=E2=80=99s emotion more than rational arguments
>
>
=E2=80=8BIt's hard to argue here or generalize to all app's communities. Kr=
ita
community for example is different than gcc community in these aspects.

--=20
regards, Jaroslaw Staniek

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac=
e,monospace;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17 August 2017 at 18:20, Thomas Pfeiffer <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org" target=3D"_blank">t=
homas.pfeiffer@kde.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><br><div><span class=3D""><blockquo=
te type=3D"cite"><div>On 17. Aug 2017, at 17:38, Mirko Boehm - KDE &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:mirko@kde.org" target=3D"_blank">mirko@kde.org</a>&gt; wrote:=
</div><br class=3D"m_-9083494930210199564Apple-interchange-newline"><div><d=
iv style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Hi,=C2=A0<div><br><div><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><div>On 17. Aug 2017, at 01:46, Thomas Pfeiffer &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org" target=3D"_blank">thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org</a>=
&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"m_-9083494930210199564Apple-interchange-newli=
ne"><div><span style=3D"font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style=
:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;t=
ext-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Hi Valorie,</span><br sty=
le=3D"font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;te=
xt-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><spa=
n style=3D"font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-=
variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:sta=
rt;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;=
float:none;display:inline!important">Even if opt-out for some data is legal=
ly and even morally fine, it does not<span class=3D"m_-9083494930210199564A=
pple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span></span><br style=3D"font-family:Menlo-Re=
gular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight=
:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transfo=
rm:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style=3D"font-family:Men=
lo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-w=
eight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-tr=
ansform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!=
important">align with the values we communicate to our users:</span><br sty=
le=3D"font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;te=
xt-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><spa=
n style=3D"font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-=
variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:sta=
rt;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;=
float:none;display:inline!important">Unlike Mozilla&#39;s Mission, our Visi=
on mentions privacy explicitly, and we&#39;re<span class=3D"m_-908349493021=
0199564Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span></span><br style=3D"font-family:=
Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;fon=
t-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text=
-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:norma=
l;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px=
;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display=
:inline!important">striving to make privacy our USP.</span><br style=3D"fon=
t-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:n=
ormal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent=
:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"></div></block=
quote><br></div><div>We seem to assume a contradiction between telemetry an=
d privacy. I believe this is a knee-jerk reaction. We can implement telemet=
ry in a way that privacy is not violated. In fact, I would say that it foll=
ows from our vision that we should do this.</div><div><br></div></div></div=
></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span>The problem is: I expect users to=
 have the same knee-jerk reaction. I don=E2=80=99t see us being able to exp=
lain to users that actually their privacy is perfectly safe before they fre=
ak out.</div><div>Privacy-minded Free Software users have freaked out in th=
e past over things which objectively speaking were not a huge deal.</div><d=
iv>It=E2=80=99s emotion more than rational arguments</div><br></div></block=
quote></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace=
,monospace;font-size:small">=E2=80=8BIt&#39;s hard to argue here or general=
ize to all app&#39;s communities. Krita community for example is different =
than gcc community in these aspects.</div><div><br></div>-- <br><div class=
=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">regards, Jaroslaw S=
taniek<br><br>KDE:<br>: A world-wide network of software engineers, artists=
, writers, translators<br>: and facilitators committed to Free Software dev=
elopment - <a href=3D"http://kde.org" target=3D"_blank">http://kde.org</a><=
br>Calligra Suite:<br>: A graphic art and office suite - <a href=3D"http://=
calligra.org" target=3D"_blank">http://calligra.org</a><br>Kexi:<br>: A vis=
ual database apps builder - <a href=3D"http://calligra.org/kexi" target=3D"=
_blank">http://calligra.org/kexi</a><br>Qt Certified Specialist:<br>: <a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.linkedin.com/in/jstaniek" target=3D"_blank">http://www.lin=
kedin.com/in/jstaniek</a></div>
</div></div>

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