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+On 17 August 2017 at 18:20, Thomas Pfeiffer <thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org> wrote=
+:
+
+>
+> On 17. Aug 2017, at 17:38, Mirko Boehm - KDE <mirko@kde.org> wrote:
+>
+> Hi,
+>
+> On 17. Aug 2017, at 01:46, Thomas Pfeiffer <thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org>
+> wrote:
+>
+> Hi Valorie,
+> Even if opt-out for some data is legally and even morally fine, it does n=
+ot
+>
+> align with the values we communicate to our users:
+> Unlike Mozilla's Mission, our Vision mentions privacy explicitly, and we'=
+re
+>
+> striving to make privacy our USP.
+>
+>
+> We seem to assume a contradiction between telemetry and privacy. I believ=
+e
+> this is a knee-jerk reaction. We can implement telemetry in a way that
+> privacy is not violated. In fact, I would say that it follows from our
+> vision that we should do this.
+>
+>
+> The problem is: I expect users to have the same knee-jerk reaction. I
+> don=E2=80=99t see us being able to explain to users that actually their p=
+rivacy is
+> perfectly safe before they freak out.
+> Privacy-minded Free Software users have freaked out in the past over
+> things which objectively speaking were not a huge deal.
+> It=E2=80=99s emotion more than rational arguments
+>
+>
+=E2=80=8BIt's hard to argue here or generalize to all app's communities. Kr=
+ita
+community for example is different than gcc community in these aspects.
+
+--=20
+regards, Jaroslaw Staniek
+
+KDE:
+: A world-wide network of software engineers, artists, writers, translators
+: and facilitators committed to Free Software development - http://kde.org
+Calligra Suite:
+: A graphic art and office suite - http://calligra.org
+Kexi:
+: A visual database apps builder - http://calligra.org/kexi
+Qt Certified Specialist:
+: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jstaniek
+
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+
+<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac=
+e,monospace;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div =
+class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17 August 2017 at 18:20, Thomas Pfeiffer <span dir=
+=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org" target=3D"_blank">t=
+homas.pfeiffer@kde.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
+quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
+ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><br><div><span class=3D""><blockquo=
+te type=3D"cite"><div>On 17. Aug 2017, at 17:38, Mirko Boehm - KDE &lt;<a h=
+ref=3D"mailto:mirko@kde.org" target=3D"_blank">mirko@kde.org</a>&gt; wrote:=
+</div><br class=3D"m_-9083494930210199564Apple-interchange-newline"><div><d=
+iv style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Hi,=C2=A0<div><br><div><blockquote type=
+=3D"cite"><div>On 17. Aug 2017, at 01:46, Thomas Pfeiffer &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
+ilto:thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org" target=3D"_blank">thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org</a>=
+&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"m_-9083494930210199564Apple-interchange-newli=
+ne"><div><span style=3D"font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style=
+:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;t=
+ext-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
+-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Hi Valorie,</span><br sty=
+le=3D"font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
+nt-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;te=
+xt-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><spa=
+n style=3D"font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-=
+variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:sta=
+rt;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;=
+float:none;display:inline!important">Even if opt-out for some data is legal=
+ly and even morally fine, it does not<span class=3D"m_-9083494930210199564A=
+pple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span></span><br style=3D"font-family:Menlo-Re=
+gular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight=
+:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transfo=
+rm:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style=3D"font-family:Men=
+lo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-w=
+eight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-tr=
+ansform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!=
+important">align with the values we communicate to our users:</span><br sty=
+le=3D"font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
+nt-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;te=
+xt-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><spa=
+n style=3D"font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-=
+variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:sta=
+rt;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;=
+float:none;display:inline!important">Unlike Mozilla&#39;s Mission, our Visi=
+on mentions privacy explicitly, and we&#39;re<span class=3D"m_-908349493021=
+0199564Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span></span><br style=3D"font-family:=
+Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;fon=
+t-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text=
+-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style=3D"font-fa=
+mily:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:norma=
+l;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px=
+;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display=
+:inline!important">striving to make privacy our USP.</span><br style=3D"fon=
+t-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:n=
+ormal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent=
+:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"></div></block=
+quote><br></div><div>We seem to assume a contradiction between telemetry an=
+d privacy. I believe this is a knee-jerk reaction. We can implement telemet=
+ry in a way that privacy is not violated. In fact, I would say that it foll=
+ows from our vision that we should do this.</div><div><br></div></div></div=
+></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span>The problem is: I expect users to=
+ have the same knee-jerk reaction. I don=E2=80=99t see us being able to exp=
+lain to users that actually their privacy is perfectly safe before they fre=
+ak out.</div><div>Privacy-minded Free Software users have freaked out in th=
+e past over things which objectively speaking were not a huge deal.</div><d=
+iv>It=E2=80=99s emotion more than rational arguments</div><br></div></block=
+quote></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace=
+,monospace;font-size:small">=E2=80=8BIt&#39;s hard to argue here or general=
+ize to all app&#39;s communities. Krita community for example is different =
+than gcc community in these aspects.</div><div><br></div>-- <br><div class=
+=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">regards, Jaroslaw S=
+taniek<br><br>KDE:<br>: A world-wide network of software engineers, artists=
+, writers, translators<br>: and facilitators committed to Free Software dev=
+elopment - <a href=3D"http://kde.org" target=3D"_blank">http://kde.org</a><=
+br>Calligra Suite:<br>: A graphic art and office suite - <a href=3D"http://=
+calligra.org" target=3D"_blank">http://calligra.org</a><br>Kexi:<br>: A vis=
+ual database apps builder - <a href=3D"http://calligra.org/kexi" target=3D"=
+_blank">http://calligra.org/kexi</a><br>Qt Certified Specialist:<br>: <a hr=
+ef=3D"http://www.linkedin.com/in/jstaniek" target=3D"_blank">http://www.lin=
+kedin.com/in/jstaniek</a></div>
+</div></div>
+
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