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+Subject: Re: Telemetry Policy
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+On Mittwoch, 16. August 2017 09:33:02 CEST Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
+> Hi all, Mozilla has done a lot of work on telemetry, and we might be
+> able to use some of their findings. On this page:
+> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Data_Collection they break down the
+> data they might possibly collect into four buckets - technical (such
+> as crashes), user interaction, web activity, and sensitive (personal
+> data).
+> 
+> This bit might be relevant to our discussion: "Categories 1 & 2
+> (Technical & Interaction data)
+> Pre-Release & Release: Data may default on, provided the data is
+> exclusively in these categories (it cannot be in any other category).
+> In Release, an opt-out must be available for most types of Technical
+> and Interaction data. "
+> 
+> I think the entire page might be enlightening to this discussion. I
+> believe our analysis of needs should be more fine-grained, and that
+> some parts of what we need can be "default on" especially for
+> pre-release testing. For releases, we can provide an opt-out.
+
+Hi Valorie,
+Even if opt-out for some data is legally and even morally fine, it does not 
+align with the values we communicate to our users:
+Unlike Mozilla's Mission, our Vision mentions privacy explicitly, and we're 
+striving to make privacy our USP.
+
+Therefore I agree with others who replied in this thread: We should respect 
+privacy unnecessarily much rather than too little.
+
+In the end, of course, it's a matter of how we present this opt-in. If it's an 
+option buried in some settings dialog, we might as well not do it at all.
+
+If we, however - like Firefox does -, pfominently present that choice to users 
+the first time they run one of our applications or desktop environment and try 
+to make clear why that data collection is important for us, I don't see why we 
+could not convince a relevant number of users to opt in.
+Sure, we'll get less data than with an opt-out scheme, but let's try it out 
+first before we go for the option that carries a significant PR risk.
+
+> Other more sensitive data will need to be opt-in. I think it's a
+> mistake to treat all the data we might want all in the same way.
+
+Content (web activity for Mozilla) and personal information should not be opt-
+anything but not collected at all.
+
+Cheers,
+Thomas