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> On 17. Aug 2017, at 17:38, Mirko Boehm - KDE <mirko@kde.org> wrote:
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> Hi,=20
>=20
>> On 17. Aug 2017, at 01:46, Thomas Pfeiffer <thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org =
<mailto:thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org>> wrote:
>>=20
>> Hi Valorie,
>> Even if opt-out for some data is legally and even morally fine, it =
does not=20
>> align with the values we communicate to our users:
>> Unlike Mozilla's Mission, our Vision mentions privacy explicitly, and =
we're=20
>> striving to make privacy our USP.
>=20
> We seem to assume a contradiction between telemetry and privacy. I =
believe this is a knee-jerk reaction. We can implement telemetry in a =
way that privacy is not violated. In fact, I would say that it follows =
from our vision that we should do this.
>=20
The problem is: I expect users to have the same knee-jerk reaction. I =
don=E2=80=99t see us being able to explain to users that actually their =
privacy is perfectly safe before they freak out.
Privacy-minded Free Software users have freaked out in the past over =
things which objectively speaking were not a huge deal.
It=E2=80=99s emotion more than rational arguments
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class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On 17. Aug 2017, at 17:38, Mirko Boehm - KDE <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mirko@kde.org" class=3D"">mirko@kde.org</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html charset=3Dus-ascii" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Hi, <div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On 17. Aug 2017, at 01:46, Thomas Pfeiffer =
<<a href=3D"mailto:thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org" =
class=3D"">thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Hi =
Valorie,</span><br style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: =
inline !important;" class=3D"">Even if opt-out for some data is legally =
and even morally fine, it does not<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br =
style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline =
!important;" class=3D"">align with the values we communicate to our =
users:</span><br style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: =
inline !important;" class=3D"">Unlike Mozilla's Mission, our Vision =
mentions privacy explicitly, and we're<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br =
style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline =
!important;" class=3D"">striving to make privacy our USP.</span><br =
style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D""></div></blockquote><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">We =
seem to assume a contradiction between telemetry and privacy. I believe =
this is a knee-jerk reaction. We can implement telemetry in a way that =
privacy is not violated. In fact, I would say that it follows from our =
vision that we should do this.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br =
class=3D""></div>The problem is: I expect users to have the same =
knee-jerk reaction. I don=E2=80=99t see us being able to explain to =
users that actually their privacy is perfectly safe before they freak =
out.</div><div>Privacy-minded Free Software users have freaked out in =
the past over things which objectively speaking were not a huge =
deal.</div><div>It=E2=80=99s emotion more than rational =
arguments</div><br class=3D""></body></html>=
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