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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 17 August 2017 at 18:20, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote= : > > On 17. Aug 2017, at 17:38, Mirko Boehm - KDE wrote: > > Hi, > > On 17. Aug 2017, at 01:46, Thomas Pfeiffer > wrote: > > Hi Valorie, > Even if opt-out for some data is legally and even morally fine, it does n= ot > > align with the values we communicate to our users: > Unlike Mozilla's Mission, our Vision mentions privacy explicitly, and we'= re > > striving to make privacy our USP. > > > We seem to assume a contradiction between telemetry and privacy. I believ= e > this is a knee-jerk reaction. We can implement telemetry in a way that > privacy is not violated. In fact, I would say that it follows from our > vision that we should do this. > > > The problem is: I expect users to have the same knee-jerk reaction. I > don=E2=80=99t see us being able to explain to users that actually their p= rivacy is > perfectly safe before they freak out. > Privacy-minded Free Software users have freaked out in the past over > things which objectively speaking were not a huge deal. > It=E2=80=99s emotion more than rational arguments > > =E2=80=8BIt's hard to argue here or generalize to all app's communities. Kr= ita community for example is different than gcc community in these aspects. --=20 regards, Jaroslaw Staniek KDE: : A world-wide network of software engineers, artists, writers, translators : and facilitators committed to Free Software development - http://kde.org Calligra Suite: : A graphic art and office suite - http://calligra.org Kexi: : A visual database apps builder - http://calligra.org/kexi Qt Certified Specialist: : http://www.linkedin.com/in/jstaniek --001a1142e7548d73010556f58604 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On 17 August 2017 at 18:20, Thomas Pfeiffer <t= homas.pfeiffer@kde.org> wrote:

On 17. Aug 2017, at 17:38, Mirko Boehm - KDE <mirko@kde.org> wrote:=

Hi,=C2=A0

On 17. Aug 2017, at 01:46, Thomas Pfeiffer <thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org= > wrote:

Hi Valorie,
Even if opt-out for some data is legal= ly and even morally fine, it does not=C2=A0
align with the values we communicate to our users:
Unlike Mozilla's Mission, our Visi= on mentions privacy explicitly, and we're=C2=A0
striving to make privacy our USP.

We seem to assume a contradiction between telemetry an= d privacy. I believe this is a knee-jerk reaction. We can implement telemet= ry in a way that privacy is not violated. In fact, I would say that it foll= ows from our vision that we should do this.


The problem is: I expect users to= have the same knee-jerk reaction. I don=E2=80=99t see us being able to exp= lain to users that actually their privacy is perfectly safe before they fre= ak out.
Privacy-minded Free Software users have freaked out in th= e past over things which objectively speaking were not a huge deal.
It=E2=80=99s emotion more than rational arguments


=E2=80=8BIt's hard to argue here or general= ize to all app's communities. Krita community for example is different = than gcc community in these aspects.

--
regards, Jaroslaw S= taniek

KDE:
: A world-wide network of software engineers, artists= , writers, translators
: and facilitators committed to Free Software dev= elopment - http://kde.org<= br>Calligra Suite:
: A graphic art and office suite - http://calligra.org
Kexi:
: A vis= ual database apps builder - http://calligra.org/kexi
Qt Certified Specialist:
: http://www.lin= kedin.com/in/jstaniek
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