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boundary="Apple-Mail=_AF2C4455-1CF7-489B-98CD-6BFD8687BF81" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Subject: Re: Telemetry Policy Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 18:20:16 +0200 References: <2048912.XfIJe3ZSdj@vkpc5> <2990543.KVDkBByYO0@minixfox> <5231282.Ch11jfsTMl@lenovo> To: informing about and discussing non-technical community topics In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5A696707-744C-4035-A8FA-CA83EE8691D6@kde.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-BeenThere: kde-community@kde.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: informing about and discussing non-technical community topics List-Id: informing about and discussing non-technical community topics List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: kde-community-bounces@kde.org Sender: "kde-community" --Apple-Mail=_AF2C4455-1CF7-489B-98CD-6BFD8687BF81 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On 17. Aug 2017, at 17:38, Mirko Boehm - KDE wrote: >=20 > Hi,=20 >=20 >> On 17. Aug 2017, at 01:46, Thomas Pfeiffer > wrote: >>=20 >> Hi Valorie, >> Even if opt-out for some data is legally and even morally fine, it = does not=20 >> align with the values we communicate to our users: >> Unlike Mozilla's Mission, our Vision mentions privacy explicitly, and = we're=20 >> striving to make privacy our USP. >=20 > We seem to assume a contradiction between telemetry and privacy. I = believe this is a knee-jerk reaction. We can implement telemetry in a = way that privacy is not violated. In fact, I would say that it follows = from our vision that we should do this. >=20 The problem is: I expect users to have the same knee-jerk reaction. I = don=E2=80=99t see us being able to explain to users that actually their = privacy is perfectly safe before they freak out. Privacy-minded Free Software users have freaked out in the past over = things which objectively speaking were not a huge deal. It=E2=80=99s emotion more than rational arguments --Apple-Mail=_AF2C4455-1CF7-489B-98CD-6BFD8687BF81 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On 17. Aug 2017, at 17:38, Mirko Boehm - KDE <mirko@kde.org> = wrote:

Hi, 

On 17. Aug 2017, at 01:46, Thomas Pfeiffer = <thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org> wrote:

Hi = Valorie,
Even if opt-out for some data is legally = and even morally fine, it does not 
align with the values we communicate to our = users:
Unlike Mozilla's Mission, our Vision = mentions privacy explicitly, and we're 
striving to make privacy our USP.

We = seem to assume a contradiction between telemetry and privacy. I believe = this is a knee-jerk reaction. We can implement telemetry in a way that = privacy is not violated. In fact, I would say that it follows from our = vision that we should do this.


The problem is: I expect users to have the same = knee-jerk reaction. I don=E2=80=99t see us being able to explain to = users that actually their privacy is perfectly safe before they freak = out.
Privacy-minded Free Software users have freaked out in = the past over things which objectively speaking were not a huge = deal.
It=E2=80=99s emotion more than rational = arguments

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