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80Subject: Telemetry Policy
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112Hi,
113
114during the KUserFeedback BoF at Akademy there was quite some interest in
115collecting telemetry data in KDE applications. But before actually
116implementing that we agreed to define the rules under which we would want to
117do that. I've tried to put the input we collected during Akademy into proper
118wording below. What do you think? Did I miss anything?
119
120Regards,
121Volker
122
123
124# Telemetry Policy Draft
125
126Application telemetry data can be a valuable tool for tailoring our products
127to the needs of our users. The following rules define how KDE collects and
128uses such application telemetry data. As privacy is of utmost importance to
129us, the general rule of thumb is to err on the side of caution here. Privacy
130always trumps any need for telemetry data, no matter how legitimate.
131
132These rules apply to all products released by KDE.
133
134## Transparency
135
136We provide detailed information about the data that is going to be shared, in
137a way that:
138- is easy to understand
139- is precise and complete
140- is available locally without network connectivity
141
142Any changes or additions to the telemetry functionality of an application will
143be highlighted in the corresponding release announcement.
144
145## Control
146
147We give the user full control over what data they want to share with KDE. In
148particular:
149- application telemetry is always opt-in, that is off by default
150- application telemetry settings can be changed at any time, and are provided
151as prominent in the application interface as other application settings
152- applications honor system-wide telemetry settings where they exist (global
153"kill switch")
154- we provide detailed documentation about how to control the application
155telemetry system
156
157In order to ensure control over the data after it has been shared with KDE,
158applications will only transmit this data to KDE servers, that is servers
159under the full control of the KDE sysadmin team.
160
161We will provide a designated contact point for users who have concerns about
162the data they have shared with KDE. While we are willing to delete data a user
163no longer wants to have shared, it should be understood that the below rules
164are designed to make identification of data of a specific user impossible, and
165thus a deletion request impractical.
166
167## Anonymity
168
169We do not transmit data that could be used to identify a specific user. In
170particular:
171- we will not use any unique device, installation or user id
172- data is stripped of any unnecessary detail and downsampled appropriately
173before sharing to avoid fingerprinting
174- network addresses (which are exposed inevitably as part of the data
175transmission) are not stored together with the telemetry data, and must only
176be stored or used to the extend necessary for abuse counter-measures
177
178## Minimalism
179
180We only track the bare minimum of data necessary to answer specific questions,
181we do not collect data preemptively or for exploratory research. In
182particular, this means:
183- collected data must have a clear purpose
184- data is downsampled to the maximum extend possible at the source
185- relevant correlations between individual bits of data should be computed at
186the source whenever possible
187- data collection is stopped once corresponding question has been answered
188
189## Privacy
190
191We will never transmit anything containing user content, or even just hints at
192possible user content such as e.g. file names, URLs, etc.
193
194We will only ever track:
195- system information that are specific to the installation/environment, but
196independent of how the application/machine/installation is actually used
197- statistical usage data of an installation/application
198
199## Compliance
200
201KDE only releases products capable of acquiring telemetry data if compliance
202with these rules has been established by a public review on [kde-core-devel|
203kde-community]@kde.org from at least two reviewers. The review has to be
204repeated for every release if changes have been made to how/what data is
205collected.
206
207Received data is regularly reviewed for violations of these rules, in
208particular for data that is prone to fingerprinting. Should such violations be
209found, the affected data will be deleted, and data recording will be suspended
210until compliance with these rules has been established again. In order to
211enable reviewing of the data, every KDE contributor with a developer account
212will have access to all telemetry data gathered by any KDE product.
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114Hi,
115
116thank you very much for this work, sounds great!
117
118Only point I have: maybe make sure that the opt-in / default settings are not
119only mandatory for application developers, but also for packagers /
120distributions.
121
122Some distributions have rather questionable views on privacy and by default
123sent information to third parties, so I would feel much more safe if they
124weren't allowed (in theory) to flick the switch in their package by default to
125"on" either.
126
127Kind regards,
128
129Christian
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114Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 00:33:02 -0700
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137Hi all, Mozilla has done a lot of work on telemetry, and we might be
138able to use some of their findings. On this page:
139https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Data_Collection they break down the
140data they might possibly collect into four buckets - technical (such
141as crashes), user interaction, web activity, and sensitive (personal
142data).
143
144This bit might be relevant to our discussion: "Categories 1 & 2
145(Technical & Interaction data)
146Pre-Release & Release: Data may default on, provided the data is
147exclusively in these categories (it cannot be in any other category).
148In Release, an opt-out must be available for most types of Technical
149and Interaction data. "
150
151I think the entire page might be enlightening to this discussion. I
152believe our analysis of needs should be more fine-grained, and that
153some parts of what we need can be "default on" especially for
154pre-release testing. For releases, we can provide an opt-out.
155
156Other more sensitive data will need to be opt-in. I think it's a
157mistake to treat all the data we might want all in the same way.
158
159Valorie
160
161
162On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 3:18 AM, Christian Loosli
163<christian.loosli@fuchsnet.ch> wrote:
164> Hi,
165>
166> thank you very much for this work, sounds great!
167>
168> Only point I have: maybe make sure that the opt-in / default settings are not
169> only mandatory for application developers, but also for packagers /
170> distributions.
171>
172> Some distributions have rather questionable views on privacy and by default
173> sent information to third parties, so I would feel much more safe if they
174> weren't allowed (in theory) to flick the switch in their package by default to
175> "on" either.
176>
177> Kind regards,
178>
179> Christian
180
181
182
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111On Wednesday, 16 August 2017 09:33:02 CEST Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
112> Hi all, Mozilla has done a lot of work on telemetry, and we might be
113> able to use some of their findings. On this page:
114> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Data_Collection they break down the
115> data they might possibly collect into four buckets - technical (such
116> as crashes), user interaction, web activity, and sensitive (personal
117> data).
118
119without making it that explicit, we basically have the same four categories of
120data too, and explicitly exclude the use of category 3 and 4, ie user content/
121activity and personal data, only technical and interaction data are allowed to
122be used (category 1 and 2).
123
124> This bit might be relevant to our discussion: "Categories 1 & 2
125> (Technical & Interaction data)
126> Pre-Release & Release: Data may default on, provided the data is
127> exclusively in these categories (it cannot be in any other category).
128> In Release, an opt-out must be available for most types of Technical
129> and Interaction data. "
130>
131> I think the entire page might be enlightening to this discussion. I
132> believe our analysis of needs should be more fine-grained, and that
133> some parts of what we need can be "default on" especially for
134> pre-release testing. For releases, we can provide an opt-out.
135>
136> Other more sensitive data will need to be opt-in. I think it's a
137> mistake to treat all the data we might want all in the same way.
138
139This again brings up opt-out, which so far doesn't seem to have a chance for
140consensus. Can we defer this to when we have some more experience with the
141opt-in approach and how much participation we get with that? Or are people
142feeling this would too strongly limit what they are allowed to do in their
143applications?
144
145Seeing yesterday's blog from the Krita team (https://akapust1n.github.io/
1462017-08-15-sixth-blog-gsoc-2017/), I'd particularly be interested in their
147view on this.
148
149Regards,
150Volker
151
152> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 3:18 AM, Christian Loosli
153>
154> <christian.loosli@fuchsnet.ch> wrote:
155> > Hi,
156> >
157> > thank you very much for this work, sounds great!
158> >
159> > Only point I have: maybe make sure that the opt-in / default settings are
160> > not only mandatory for application developers, but also for packagers /
161> > distributions.
162> >
163> > Some distributions have rather questionable views on privacy and by
164> > default
165> > sent information to third parties, so I would feel much more safe if they
166> > weren't allowed (in theory) to flick the switch in their package by
167> > default to "on" either.
168> >
169> > Kind regards,
170> >
171> > Christian
172
173
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106On Wed, 16 Aug 2017, Volker Krause wrote:
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108> Seeing yesterday's blog from the Krita team (https://akapust1n.github.io/
109> 2017-08-15-sixth-blog-gsoc-2017/), I'd particularly be interested in their
110> view on this.
111
112I've pointed alexey at this thread, but there's a huge language barrier:
113he basically communicates through google translate. I've made it a firm
114condition of merging and operating the telemetry that we adhere to the
115KDE policy in every way. Even then, I still consider his work to be
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129On Mittwoch, 16. August 2017 09:33:02 CEST Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
130> Hi all, Mozilla has done a lot of work on telemetry, and we might be
131> able to use some of their findings. On this page:
132> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Data_Collection they break down the
133> data they might possibly collect into four buckets - technical (such
134> as crashes), user interaction, web activity, and sensitive (personal
135> data).
136>
137> This bit might be relevant to our discussion: "Categories 1 & 2
138> (Technical & Interaction data)
139> Pre-Release & Release: Data may default on, provided the data is
140> exclusively in these categories (it cannot be in any other category).
141> In Release, an opt-out must be available for most types of Technical
142> and Interaction data. "
143>
144> I think the entire page might be enlightening to this discussion. I
145> believe our analysis of needs should be more fine-grained, and that
146> some parts of what we need can be "default on" especially for
147> pre-release testing. For releases, we can provide an opt-out.
148
149Hi Valorie,
150Even if opt-out for some data is legally and even morally fine, it does not
151align with the values we communicate to our users:
152Unlike Mozilla's Mission, our Vision mentions privacy explicitly, and we're
153striving to make privacy our USP.
154
155Therefore I agree with others who replied in this thread: We should respect
156privacy unnecessarily much rather than too little.
157
158In the end, of course, it's a matter of how we present this opt-in. If it's an
159option buried in some settings dialog, we might as well not do it at all.
160
161If we, however - like Firefox does -, pfominently present that choice to users
162the first time they run one of our applications or desktop environment and try
163to make clear why that data collection is important for us, I don't see why we
164could not convince a relevant number of users to opt in.
165Sure, we'll get less data than with an opt-out scheme, but let's try it out
166first before we go for the option that carries a significant PR risk.
167
168> Other more sensitive data will need to be opt-in. I think it's a
169> mistake to treat all the data we might want all in the same way.
170
171Content (web activity for Mozilla) and personal information should not be opt-
172anything but not collected at all.
173
174Cheers,
175Thomas
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121Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 17:38:52 +0200
122Subject: Re: Telemetry Policy
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158Hi,
159
160> On 17. Aug 2017, at 01:46, Thomas Pfeiffer <thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org> =
161wrote:
162>=20
163> Hi Valorie,
164> Even if opt-out for some data is legally and even morally fine, it =
165does not
166> align with the values we communicate to our users:
167> Unlike Mozilla's Mission, our Vision mentions privacy explicitly, and =
168we're
169> striving to make privacy our USP.
170
171We seem to assume a contradiction between telemetry and privacy. I =
172believe this is a knee-jerk reaction. We can implement telemetry in a =
173way that privacy is not violated. In fact, I would say that it follows =
174from our vision that we should do this.
175
176Cheers,
177
178Mirko.
179--
180Mirko Boehm | mirko@kde.org | KDE e.V.
181FSFE Fellowship Representative, FSFE Team Germany
182Qt Certified Specialist and Trainer
183Request a meeting: https://doodle.com/mirkoboehm
184
185
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190
191<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
192charset=3Dus-ascii"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
193-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
194class=3D"">Hi,&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote =
195type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On 17. Aug 2017, at 01:46, =
196Thomas Pfeiffer &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org" =
197class=3D"">thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
198class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><span =
199style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: =
200normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
201normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
202white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
203float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Hi =
204Valorie,</span><br style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; =
205font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
206letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
207text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
208-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: =
209Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
210normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
211text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
212word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: =
213inline !important;" class=3D"">Even if opt-out for some data is legally =
214and even morally fine, it does not<span =
215class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><br =
216style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: =
217normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
218normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
219white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
220class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; =
221font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
222letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
223text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
224-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline =
225!important;" class=3D"">align with the values we communicate to our =
226users:</span><br style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; =
227font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
228letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
229text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
230-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: =
231Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
232normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
233text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
234word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: =
235inline !important;" class=3D"">Unlike Mozilla's Mission, our Vision =
236mentions privacy explicitly, and we're<span =
237class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><br =
238style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: =
239normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
240normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
241white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
242class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; =
243font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
244letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
245text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
246-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline =
247!important;" class=3D"">striving to make privacy our USP.</span><br =
248style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: =
249normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
250normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
251white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
252class=3D""></div></blockquote><br class=3D""></div><div>We seem to =
253assume a contradiction between telemetry and privacy. I believe this is =
254a knee-jerk reaction. We can implement telemetry in a way that privacy =
255is not violated. In fact, I would say that it follows from our vision =
256that we should do this.</div><div><br =
257class=3D""></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br =
258class=3D""></div><div>Mirko.</div><div class=3D"">
259<div style=3D"orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
260widows: auto; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
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265break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
266after-white-space;" class=3D"">--&nbsp;<br class=3D""></div><div =
267style=3D"orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; widows: =
268auto; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
269-webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Mirko Boehm | <a =
270href=3D"mailto:mirko@kde.org" class=3D"">mirko@kde.org</a> | KDE e.V.<br =
271class=3D"">FSFE Fellowship Representative, FSFE Team Germany<br =
272class=3D"">Qt Certified Specialist and Trainer<br class=3D"">Request a =
273meeting: <a href=3D"https://doodle.com/mirkoboehm" =
274class=3D"">https://doodle.com/mirkoboehm</a><br class=3D""></div></div>
275</div>
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103Subject: Re: Telemetry Policy
104Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 18:20:16 +0200
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137> On 17. Aug 2017, at 17:38, Mirko Boehm - KDE <mirko@kde.org> wrote:
138>=20
139> Hi,=20
140>=20
141>> On 17. Aug 2017, at 01:46, Thomas Pfeiffer <thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org =
142<mailto:thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org>> wrote:
143>>=20
144>> Hi Valorie,
145>> Even if opt-out for some data is legally and even morally fine, it =
146does not=20
147>> align with the values we communicate to our users:
148>> Unlike Mozilla's Mission, our Vision mentions privacy explicitly, and =
149we're=20
150>> striving to make privacy our USP.
151>=20
152> We seem to assume a contradiction between telemetry and privacy. I =
153believe this is a knee-jerk reaction. We can implement telemetry in a =
154way that privacy is not violated. In fact, I would say that it follows =
155from our vision that we should do this.
156>=20
157
158The problem is: I expect users to have the same knee-jerk reaction. I =
159don=E2=80=99t see us being able to explain to users that actually their =
160privacy is perfectly safe before they freak out.
161Privacy-minded Free Software users have freaked out in the past over =
162things which objectively speaking were not a huge deal.
163It=E2=80=99s emotion more than rational arguments
164
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171<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
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173-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
174class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
175class=3D"">On 17. Aug 2017, at 17:38, Mirko Boehm - KDE &lt;<a =
176href=3D"mailto:mirko@kde.org" class=3D"">mirko@kde.org</a>&gt; =
177wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
178http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html charset=3Dus-ascii" =
179class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
180space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Hi,&nbsp;<div =
181class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
182class=3D""><div class=3D"">On 17. Aug 2017, at 01:46, Thomas Pfeiffer =
183&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org" =
184class=3D"">thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
185class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><span =
186style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: =
187normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
188normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
189white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
190float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Hi =
191Valorie,</span><br style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; =
192font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
193letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
194text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
195-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: =
196Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
197normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
198text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
199word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: =
200inline !important;" class=3D"">Even if opt-out for some data is legally =
201and even morally fine, it does not<span =
202class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><br =
203style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: =
204normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
205normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
206white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
207class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; =
208font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
209letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
210text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
211-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline =
212!important;" class=3D"">align with the values we communicate to our =
213users:</span><br style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; =
214font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
215letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
216text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
217-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: =
218Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
219normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
220text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
221word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: =
222inline !important;" class=3D"">Unlike Mozilla's Mission, our Vision =
223mentions privacy explicitly, and we're<span =
224class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><br =
225style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: =
226normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
227normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
228white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
229class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; =
230font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
231letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
232text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
233-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline =
234!important;" class=3D"">striving to make privacy our USP.</span><br =
235style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: =
236normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
237normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
238white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
239class=3D""></div></blockquote><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">We =
240seem to assume a contradiction between telemetry and privacy. I believe =
241this is a knee-jerk reaction. We can implement telemetry in a way that =
242privacy is not violated. In fact, I would say that it follows from our =
243vision that we should do this.</div><div class=3D""><br =
244class=3D""></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br =
245class=3D""></div>The problem is: I expect users to have the same =
246knee-jerk reaction. I don=E2=80=99t see us being able to explain to =
247users that actually their privacy is perfectly safe before they freak =
248out.</div><div>Privacy-minded Free Software users have freaked out in =
249the past over things which objectively speaking were not a huge =
250deal.</div><div>It=E2=80=99s emotion more than rational =
251arguments</div><br class=3D""></body></html>=
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145On 17 August 2017 at 18:20, Thomas Pfeiffer <thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org> wrote=
146:
147
148>
149> On 17. Aug 2017, at 17:38, Mirko Boehm - KDE <mirko@kde.org> wrote:
150>
151> Hi,
152>
153> On 17. Aug 2017, at 01:46, Thomas Pfeiffer <thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org>
154> wrote:
155>
156> Hi Valorie,
157> Even if opt-out for some data is legally and even morally fine, it does n=
158ot
159>
160> align with the values we communicate to our users:
161> Unlike Mozilla's Mission, our Vision mentions privacy explicitly, and we'=
162re
163>
164> striving to make privacy our USP.
165>
166>
167> We seem to assume a contradiction between telemetry and privacy. I believ=
168e
169> this is a knee-jerk reaction. We can implement telemetry in a way that
170> privacy is not violated. In fact, I would say that it follows from our
171> vision that we should do this.
172>
173>
174> The problem is: I expect users to have the same knee-jerk reaction. I
175> don=E2=80=99t see us being able to explain to users that actually their p=
176rivacy is
177> perfectly safe before they freak out.
178> Privacy-minded Free Software users have freaked out in the past over
179> things which objectively speaking were not a huge deal.
180> It=E2=80=99s emotion more than rational arguments
181>
182>
183=E2=80=8BIt's hard to argue here or generalize to all app's communities. Kr=
184ita
185community for example is different than gcc community in these aspects.
186
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188regards, Jaroslaw Staniek
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190KDE:
191: A world-wide network of software engineers, artists, writers, translators
192: and facilitators committed to Free Software development - http://kde.org
193Calligra Suite:
194: A graphic art and office suite - http://calligra.org
195Kexi:
196: A visual database apps builder - http://calligra.org/kexi
197Qt Certified Specialist:
198: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jstaniek
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204<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac=
205e,monospace;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div =
206class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17 August 2017 at 18:20, Thomas Pfeiffer <span dir=
207=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org" target=3D"_blank">t=
208homas.pfeiffer@kde.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
209quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
210ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><br><div><span class=3D""><blockquo=
211te type=3D"cite"><div>On 17. Aug 2017, at 17:38, Mirko Boehm - KDE &lt;<a h=
212ref=3D"mailto:mirko@kde.org" target=3D"_blank">mirko@kde.org</a>&gt; wrote:=
213</div><br class=3D"m_-9083494930210199564Apple-interchange-newline"><div><d=
214iv style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Hi,=C2=A0<div><br><div><blockquote type=
215=3D"cite"><div>On 17. Aug 2017, at 01:46, Thomas Pfeiffer &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
216ilto:thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org" target=3D"_blank">thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org</a>=
217&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"m_-9083494930210199564Apple-interchange-newli=
218ne"><div><span style=3D"font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style=
219:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;t=
220ext-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
221-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Hi Valorie,</span><br sty=
222le=3D"font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
223nt-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;te=
224xt-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><spa=
225n style=3D"font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-=
226variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:sta=
227rt;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;=
228float:none;display:inline!important">Even if opt-out for some data is legal=
229ly and even morally fine, it does not<span class=3D"m_-9083494930210199564A=
230pple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span></span><br style=3D"font-family:Menlo-Re=
231gular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight=
232:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transfo=
233rm:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style=3D"font-family:Men=
234lo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-w=
235eight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-tr=
236ansform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!=
237important">align with the values we communicate to our users:</span><br sty=
238le=3D"font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
239nt-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;te=
240xt-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><spa=
241n style=3D"font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-=
242variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:sta=
243rt;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;=
244float:none;display:inline!important">Unlike Mozilla&#39;s Mission, our Visi=
245on mentions privacy explicitly, and we&#39;re<span class=3D"m_-908349493021=
2460199564Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span></span><br style=3D"font-family:=
247Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;fon=
248t-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text=
249-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style=3D"font-fa=
250mily:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:norma=
251l;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px=
252;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display=
253:inline!important">striving to make privacy our USP.</span><br style=3D"fon=
254t-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:n=
255ormal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent=
256:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"></div></block=
257quote><br></div><div>We seem to assume a contradiction between telemetry an=
258d privacy. I believe this is a knee-jerk reaction. We can implement telemet=
259ry in a way that privacy is not violated. In fact, I would say that it foll=
260ows from our vision that we should do this.</div><div><br></div></div></div=
261></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span>The problem is: I expect users to=
262 have the same knee-jerk reaction. I don=E2=80=99t see us being able to exp=
263lain to users that actually their privacy is perfectly safe before they fre=
264ak out.</div><div>Privacy-minded Free Software users have freaked out in th=
265e past over things which objectively speaking were not a huge deal.</div><d=
266iv>It=E2=80=99s emotion more than rational arguments</div><br></div></block=
267quote></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace=
268,monospace;font-size:small">=E2=80=8BIt&#39;s hard to argue here or general=
269ize to all app&#39;s communities. Krita community for example is different =
270than gcc community in these aspects.</div><div><br></div>-- <br><div class=
271=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">regards, Jaroslaw S=
272taniek<br><br>KDE:<br>: A world-wide network of software engineers, artists=
273, writers, translators<br>: and facilitators committed to Free Software dev=
274elopment - <a href=3D"http://kde.org" target=3D"_blank">http://kde.org</a><=
275br>Calligra Suite:<br>: A graphic art and office suite - <a href=3D"http://=
276calligra.org" target=3D"_blank">http://calligra.org</a><br>Kexi:<br>: A vis=
277ual database apps builder - <a href=3D"http://calligra.org/kexi" target=3D"=
278_blank">http://calligra.org/kexi</a><br>Qt Certified Specialist:<br>: <a hr=
279ef=3D"http://www.linkedin.com/in/jstaniek" target=3D"_blank">http://www.lin=
280kedin.com/in/jstaniek</a></div>
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