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+Subject: Re: Telemetry Policy
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+
+> On 17. Aug 2017, at 17:38, Mirko Boehm - KDE <mirko@kde.org> wrote:
+>=20
+> Hi,=20
+>=20
+>> On 17. Aug 2017, at 01:46, Thomas Pfeiffer <thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org =
+<mailto:thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org>> wrote:
+>>=20
+>> Hi Valorie,
+>> Even if opt-out for some data is legally and even morally fine, it =
+does not=20
+>> align with the values we communicate to our users:
+>> Unlike Mozilla's Mission, our Vision mentions privacy explicitly, and =
+we're=20
+>> striving to make privacy our USP.
+>=20
+> We seem to assume a contradiction between telemetry and privacy. I =
+believe this is a knee-jerk reaction. We can implement telemetry in a =
+way that privacy is not violated. In fact, I would say that it follows =
+from our vision that we should do this.
+>=20
+
+The problem is: I expect users to have the same knee-jerk reaction. I =
+don=E2=80=99t see us being able to explain to users that actually their =
+privacy is perfectly safe before they freak out.
+Privacy-minded Free Software users have freaked out in the past over =
+things which objectively speaking were not a huge deal.
+It=E2=80=99s emotion more than rational arguments
+
+
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+
+<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
+charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
+-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
+class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
+class=3D"">On 17. Aug 2017, at 17:38, Mirko Boehm - KDE &lt;<a =
+href=3D"mailto:mirko@kde.org" class=3D"">mirko@kde.org</a>&gt; =
+wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
+http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html charset=3Dus-ascii" =
+class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
+space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Hi,&nbsp;<div =
+class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
+class=3D""><div class=3D"">On 17. Aug 2017, at 01:46, Thomas Pfeiffer =
+&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org" =
+class=3D"">thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
+class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><span =
+style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: =
+normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
+normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
+white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
+float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Hi =
+Valorie,</span><br style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; =
+font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
+letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
+text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
+-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: =
+Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
+normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
+text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
+word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: =
+inline !important;" class=3D"">Even if opt-out for some data is legally =
+and even morally fine, it does not<span =
+class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><br =
+style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: =
+normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
+normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
+white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
+class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; =
+font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
+letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
+text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
+-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline =
+!important;" class=3D"">align with the values we communicate to our =
+users:</span><br style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; =
+font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
+letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
+text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
+-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: =
+Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
+normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
+text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
+word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: =
+inline !important;" class=3D"">Unlike Mozilla's Mission, our Vision =
+mentions privacy explicitly, and we're<span =
+class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><br =
+style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: =
+normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
+normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
+white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
+class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; =
+font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
+letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
+text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
+-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline =
+!important;" class=3D"">striving to make privacy our USP.</span><br =
+style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: =
+normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
+normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
+white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
+class=3D""></div></blockquote><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">We =
+seem to assume a contradiction between telemetry and privacy. I believe =
+this is a knee-jerk reaction. We can implement telemetry in a way that =
+privacy is not violated. In fact, I would say that it follows from our =
+vision that we should do this.</div><div class=3D""><br =
+class=3D""></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br =
+class=3D""></div>The problem is: I expect users to have the same =
+knee-jerk reaction. I don=E2=80=99t see us being able to explain to =
+users that actually their privacy is perfectly safe before they freak =
+out.</div><div>Privacy-minded Free Software users have freaked out in =
+the past over things which objectively speaking were not a huge =
+deal.</div><div>It=E2=80=99s emotion more than rational =
+arguments</div><br class=3D""></body></html>=
+
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