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111On Wednesday, 16 August 2017 09:33:02 CEST Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
112> Hi all, Mozilla has done a lot of work on telemetry, and we might be
113> able to use some of their findings. On this page:
114> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Data_Collection they break down the
115> data they might possibly collect into four buckets - technical (such
116> as crashes), user interaction, web activity, and sensitive (personal
117> data).
118
119without making it that explicit, we basically have the same four categories of
120data too, and explicitly exclude the use of category 3 and 4, ie user content/
121activity and personal data, only technical and interaction data are allowed to
122be used (category 1 and 2).
123
124> This bit might be relevant to our discussion: "Categories 1 & 2
125> (Technical & Interaction data)
126> Pre-Release & Release: Data may default on, provided the data is
127> exclusively in these categories (it cannot be in any other category).
128> In Release, an opt-out must be available for most types of Technical
129> and Interaction data. "
130>
131> I think the entire page might be enlightening to this discussion. I
132> believe our analysis of needs should be more fine-grained, and that
133> some parts of what we need can be "default on" especially for
134> pre-release testing. For releases, we can provide an opt-out.
135>
136> Other more sensitive data will need to be opt-in. I think it's a
137> mistake to treat all the data we might want all in the same way.
138
139This again brings up opt-out, which so far doesn't seem to have a chance for
140consensus. Can we defer this to when we have some more experience with the
141opt-in approach and how much participation we get with that? Or are people
142feeling this would too strongly limit what they are allowed to do in their
143applications?
144
145Seeing yesterday's blog from the Krita team (https://akapust1n.github.io/
1462017-08-15-sixth-blog-gsoc-2017/), I'd particularly be interested in their
147view on this.
148
149Regards,
150Volker
151
152> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 3:18 AM, Christian Loosli
153>
154> <christian.loosli@fuchsnet.ch> wrote:
155> > Hi,
156> >
157> > thank you very much for this work, sounds great!
158> >
159> > Only point I have: maybe make sure that the opt-in / default settings are
160> > not only mandatory for application developers, but also for packagers /
161> > distributions.
162> >
163> > Some distributions have rather questionable views on privacy and by
164> > default
165> > sent information to third parties, so I would feel much more safe if they
166> > weren't allowed (in theory) to flick the switch in their package by
167> > default to "on" either.
168> >
169> > Kind regards,
170> >
171> > Christian
172
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